The Uptown Interim Height Ordinance (IHO) is an example of the worst of planning. While over 20 years old the Uptown Community Plan was visionary in its anticipation of smart growth concepts and created a path for the evolution of one of San Diego's best communities. However, the IHO does great damage to the visionary plan, and insults the idea of planning. By restricting one metric in the planning toolbox -- height -- without modifying other related elements like Floor Area Ratio (FAR), density, parking requirements, etc., the City Council (and the many citizens and planning groups that promoted the idea) created two great problems:1) They dealt a blow to Smart Growth and contradicted the great planning begun with the City of Villages Framework Plan; and, 2) They made sure that every building built will achieve its development in the same way: five-story, wood-frame construction built setback to setback. We've created stucco boxes when we had the hope of elegant towers.The IHO will result in more shadowing at the street level and a monotony of form as buildings are relegated to the same massing.Former councilman Jim Madaffer said it best,“We are going to have to make sure that we plan San Diego from a regional standpoint, and not just from a myopic perspective. And if we operate in a myopic perspective, we will end up creating interim height ordinances all over the city.” Give the IHO an Onion and put an end to bad planning!
Submitted by Anonymous on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 04:01.
Did the jury miss the word "interim?" Was the jury hoping to create an "in" for architects who would like to create a Vantage Pointe condo tower for Uptown too, before Uptown gets its new Community Plan?
Submitted by Anonymous on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 02:35.
It's hard not to be sarcastic in responding to this Onion award. Hillcrest and the rest of Uptown are at the top of a hill surrounded by canyons and dead-end streets. They are not an appropriate place for high-intensity development that would bring more cars and exacerbate an already existing shortage of parking spaces. San Diego County covers over 4000 square miles, and planners who think that an efficient 24 hour public transit system that replaces cars will work here are deluding themselves. Furthermore -- and this is the most important point of all -- Hillcrest and Uptown are ALREADY models of smart growth. They are walkable, relatively dense communities with commercial activities within easy walking distance of residential areas. There never was any good reason to make Uptown more dense. Instead, planners should have looked at low-density neighborhoods like Clairemont and concentrated their "infill" development there. Last but not least, Hillcrest and Uptown attract people because of a unique charm that is based on tree-lined streets, set-backs for gardens and lawns, and San Diego's best concentration of historic architecture in a city mostly characterized by soulless cookie-cutter developments. Once it became clear that developers, architects and city planners had zero respect for Uptown's existing character, the community rose up and demanded a height limit. Yes, it's crude, but it put a stop to the transformation of Hillcrest into a dirty, noisy and crowded extension of downtown. I am tired of arrogant pin heads who come out of Ivory Tower universities and presume to impose their elitist and utterly stupid "visions" on everyone else. That is what so called "smart growth" really amounts to, and what we really need to do is ask why we're having growth in San Diego at all when this state's population is bulging at 38 million people, we have no water, and the native born population isn't growing at all.
Submitted by Anonymous on Sat, 11/14/2009 - 02:06.
Just what part of the word "interim" don't you folks get? And to pull out a quote from Jim "MadDog" Madaffer, who never saw a project he didn't like and now dates a building industry lobbyist, well, let's just say some of us in Uptown will be proud to wear your condemnation of an ordinance designed to protect Uptown while our community plan is updated with full public participation.
In case you've missed it, the economy's been in the tank lately, so hold back your crocodile tears -- just how many projects would be under construction right now without the IHO? Zip. Zilch. Nada. And elegant towers? Please come by sometime and check out Mi Arbolito or Trilogy on 5th and explain what's elegant about them.
Interesting to see some of your board members are Tucker Sadler employees, who think straddling the elegant St. Paul's Episcopal Church on 5th Avenue with insensitive stucco-and-glass condo towers of 150' and 180' on either side will somehow highlight the cathedral's charm. As Leon Krier told me this week, "True bullsh**."
So again, thanks for the encouragement -- we must be doing something right! As for creating IHOs "all over the city," I'd say to other communities who care about their future and demand to be heard, "Go for it!"
And to city planning director Bill Anderson: thanks for accepting the award and defending the IHO!
-- John Lamb, Bankers Hill
Submitted by Anonymous on Wed, 09/09/2009 - 06:10.
IN THE SPIRIT OF REMAINING RECEPTIVE TO ALL PUBLIC COMMENTARY, THE O&O COMMITTEE IS PUBLISHING THIS MISGUIDED COMMENT, DESPITE THE FACT THAT O&O NOMINATIONS, INCLUDING THIS ONE, ARE NOT SUBMITTED BY THE "O&O CREW" BUT BY THE PUBLIC AT LARGE. THE COMMITTEE REMAINS NEUTRAL WITH REGARD TO ALL NOMINATIONS - OUR GOAL IS TO STIMULATE PRACTICAL, PUBLIC DISCOURSE. LOOKS LIKE IN THIS CASE, WE'VE SUCCEEDED. CHEERS!
Dear O&O, Let’s have a smelly scallion for the O&O crew
that doesn’t like the Uptown Interim Height
Ordinance. Their ugly sarcasm is partly right,
in that there should indeed not be a series of
interim height ordinances dotting San Diego’s
landscape. We should have a single, city-wide,
permanent, thirty-foot height limit. If a
property owner would like to go higher or be
denser or have a different FAR or have some
other deviation, the City has a procedure to
accommodate that. A smelly scallion to O&O
for letting its tawdry politics overwhelm its
sense of right and wrong.
Let’s have a great big stinking Onion too, for
O&O’s sellout to the development industry and
its contempt for citizens and communities and
the hard work they put into their communities
to preserve community history and temperament
and character and ambience and liveability;
the very things architects and architecture
should pay attention to. Instead, O&O is
flacking for the greed industry, trading its
birthright and its members’ good reputations
for industry favors. That’s shabby - sad,
contemptible, and shabby. Shame on O&O!
Finally, a gigantic Onion for those gigantic
failures, the Strategic Framework, which inci-
dentally, doesn’t exist now, and the Village
Strategy which hasn’t produced a village any-
where in San Diego. Remember, ticky-tacky
boxes that all look alike aren't designed by
communities. They're designed by architects.
Jim Varnadore
City Heights
Submitted by Anonymous on Tue, 09/08/2009 - 19:06.
First, Hillcrest, Mission Hills, Banker's Hill, and University Heights have dramatically intensified density over the course of the past 10 years. Did these communities get more parks or other promised amenities? No.
Is traffic nearly impossible along University Ave, Washington St, Park Blvd. Yes? Do additional high-rise buildings destroy community character in these older communities? Yes. Was enactment of the interim height ordinance the result of active citizen participation? Yes. Is these one of the singular examples in San Diego of citizens winning over developer interests? Yes.
Submitted by Anonymous on Tue, 08/31/2010 - 22:43.
Completely agree with the above comments. The interim height ordinance was crafted by people who really live here. North Park needs one, too. The city must stop dumping mundane developments in its urban core under the banner of "smart growth". And where oh where are the amenities that "smart" growth promised? Where are the parks? Where are the fire stations?
Submitted by Anonymous on Tue, 09/08/2009 - 18:04.
I agree with the previous comment that the IHO should get an orchid, not an onion!
Who would wish to see the kinds of high rise carbuncles on the landscape that were perpetrated in the 1950's when the Senior high-rises were visited upon us on Park & University and in Mission Hills? In rebuttal to your arguments:
1) The IHO is no "blow to smart growth", nor does it contradict in any way the "City of Villages" framework. It is an interim measure to make sure that any loopholes that might have allowed out-of-scale and character buildings are closed until the new community plans are in place. This seems like a sensible precaution.
2) I don't know where you get the idea that the IHO will encourage identical "stucco boxes". The local Community Planning Groups are very vocal in encourage interesting design, articulation of facades to prevent just such "monotony of form", and pedestrian-friendly street frontages that do not allow for “shadowing at the street level” in all new and remodeled construction. And very vocal in discouraging just the type of construction you suggest might occur. The same Community Planning Groups support the IHO.
We are all learning to encourage greener, smarter, more bike and pedestrian friendly, village-like development, and Uptown’s IHO is an aid to that goal, not a hindrance.
Submitted by Anonymous on Tue, 09/08/2009 - 05:51.
For the last decade, community members often expressed disdain for the derivative and uninspired building designs that were being erected in Uptown. Often the finished products did not live up to over-stated promises or renderings and community members would lament and regretted how incompatible new buildings were with the existing structures and streetscape. The existing buildings have a much more interesting and thoughtful quality that was simply unmatched by most newer projects.
Working with the city to directly address these issues during the hard economic times showed resolve. The city after all did not have the funding to immediately correct the community plan even though they had been asked to do so by community members in meeting after meeting. The IHO allows most projects to move forward. Realistically with the economy the way it is, there has been little impact to any new projects and there is no real implication that over the next few months that the whole area will instantly be one height since it is not that way now. The IHO has made it clear to designers and developers that to match the high quality built environment in Uptown requires a bit more inspiration and isn't that exactly what projects that get orchids embody?
Submitted by Anonymous on Mon, 09/14/2009 - 19:35.
Sometimes in life one's pespective is just plain wrong and misguided. Beyond making people ma
d at that statement, this is one of those times. Folks that are not trained in Planning should stick to their day jobs. The community would be served better without the vilification of developers. While the community enjoys spending the DIF funds on one hand, the other hand quickly critisizes them. Without developers neighborhoods tend to die on the vine. The IHO must receive an onion to send a clear message to the rest of the 32,000 residents of Uptown that a few activists cannot hijack the community with bad planning policies.
Submitted by Anonymous on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 02:53.
"Folks that are not trained in Planning should stick to their day jobs."
On the contrary, let's just get rid of these fake planners and architects who sell out to developers who only want to make money -- even if it means destroying community character.
San Diego as a whole is a model of bad planning done by these very architects and developers.
Just look at all the sprawl development into wild-fire areas. Good job, architects and planners! Greed had nothing to do with your decisions, right?
And how convenient that you only embraced the "smart growth" religion of tearing down older neighborhoods to fill them up with high-rises AFTER you had already filled up 94% of San Diego's developable land with ugly sprawl development.
You certainly did a great job planning for north county -- as anyone can see who tries to drive from downtown to Rancho Bernardo at 6 o'clock in the evening on a week night. What does that take, about an hour to go twenty miles?
I also notice that sprawl development continues in San Diego and Riverside counties even though planners and architects have claimed that smart growth will stop such developments.
You have no credibility whatsoever.
It's time for the people to take back their communities. And that's just what we're doing in Uptown.
Last, any resident of Uptown can show up and participate in the local planning groups. So no one is "hijacking" the other residents of Uptown.
Interim Height Ordinance -- did the jury understand it?
How dare the residents of a neighborhood decide on its future!
Jury deserves an Onion for malodorous reasoning
A Standard, City-wide, Thirty-Foot, Permanent Height Limit
The Uptown Interim Height Ordinance Deserves an Orchid
Uptown Height Ordinance
Uptown IHO is needed until Community Plan Updates completed
The IHO Should be nominated for an Orchid instead of an Onion
The IHO must receive an Onion
San Diego's wonderful "planning" - snort!
Oh come on